The others may be listening. But Hiroshi himself seems to be in a state of shock, still holding the Rod parts. His mouth moves for a moment, as if trying to understand what he heard. "Wait a minute! Why are we even listening to these guys?! They attacked us! How the hell can we trust a damn thing they say?" he shouts finally. The pitch of his voice is tense, however, almost hysterical. "They're lying! They have to be! This has to be the way to do it! The book said..."